i've never seen that but i have seen 2 little people walk right in and out without needing the aid of a dunker. well, in my mind i saw it. and it was cute in a politically correct way
bethel
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did you or anyone you know needed to be dunked more than once because their body wasn't fully imersed.. my cousin needed to be dunked 4 times unitl he was finally fully immersed on the 5th try.. he was humilated and left the dubs about 6 months later.. everyone gossiped it was because he hadn't fully dedicated himself to jehovah on his baptism day.. the truth was, he is very tall and the pool was extremely shallow.
i've never seen that but i have seen 2 little people walk right in and out without needing the aid of a dunker. well, in my mind i saw it. and it was cute in a politically correct way
bethel
i always want everyone's opinion on everything because i know how much i can learn from open forums of communication. but i find that if people live and let live, that is the most impressive thing they can ever do. it goes with everything though...
christian, but let be heathen.
atheist but let be theist or deist.
straight but let be gay.
gay but let be straight.
white but let be black.
female but let be male. (that can be a hard one )
bethel
i made a comment to my 15 year old son last night about the arrogance of the jw teaching that all non-jws will be destroyed at armageddon.
he responded that i am mistaken, that the jws teach that jehovah reads hearts, even of those who are being preached to today.
in other words, no one is 'written off' like that, and btw he hates it when i take a teaching i don't like and exaggerate it like that..... .
the last chapter of the "live forever" book says this:
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Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God’s new system. There is only one. There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching "great tribulation." It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal. (Matthew 7:21-23; 24:21) You must be part of Jehovah’s organization, doing God’s will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.—Psalm 133:1-3
i have to label a few of my JW friends as apostate because they say that it's the heart condition of the person... when, according to the religion they belong to and promote, that simply is not true.
bethel
how often does it happen that we can be asked, rather like on the witness chair in a trial: "what exactly were you doing on the night of xx-xx-xxxx 30 years ago?
" and actually be able to answer that question?
i know exactly what i was doing during the evening of september 30, 1975: i was fervently praying to jehovah that i would be found worthy, in spite of all my weaknesses and failures, to find his favor and live through the next day, the day that armageddon was happening.
well-written, as always
lately,i haven't been as concerned with my jw past.it will always affect me,and this website has changed my life,for the better.i guess i know that thetre will always be people that will believe in religious bullcrap.thats thier problem.i am proud that i didn't drink the kool-aid{i say to people now"don't drink the kool-aid"}i have not posted as much lately,and feel less concerned about the whole situation,which is a good thing.. .
cheers to all you who didn't drink the kool aid,and those who stopped drinking it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.
thanks ,stp
i do not understand this thread, nor do i understand the replies to it. but ummmm i guess i'll cheers to whatever everybody else is gonna cheers about!
bethel
does anyone know the webmaster of the old site http://www.wimpyjesus.com/watchtower/nice.htm ?.
i emailed with him breifly in 1999, and am currently trying to get a copy of his old website.. more specifically i swear sometime in the late 80's or possibly in the 1990's the watchtower quoted playboy magazine in an article.
i've desperately been searching for where that was, but have yet to find it with the 2004 watchtower library cd.
a boyfriend who is bascially disenchanted with the society, and open to hearing logical reasons why he should leave
there are many many things on this board that can help him along the way... the watchtower quoting playboy is a small thing compared to the many revelations he will discover by browsing this site. welcome!
bethel
the gift of scripture
"the catholic bishops of england, wales and scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect total accuracy from the bible.".
"but the first 11 chapters of genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this countrys catholic bishops insist cannot be historical.
But what else can you expect from Satan, Gods Enemy!
why do you have to be such an apostate to catholicism defd? God and Jesus hate apostates
i find it funny and sad that the watchtower is pursuing internet sites to be shut down and to stop showing their articles, due to copyright laws.. i thought the goal of the watchtower was to preach the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come.. apparentll not, with the recent lawsuit against the quotes site, i'm wondering if ebay is on their list, you can buy just about any publication from 1900-1950, and buy it fairly cheap i might add.
hhhhhhhhhmmmmm, maybe they will sue them to for distributing old publications for people to read.. what's next ????????.
any thoughts .........
they should go back in time and attack the writers of those idiotic books, ei. fred franz, nathan homer simpson knorr, pastorized russell, joeyR, etc... maybe they can find a time machine on eBay
bethel
wow, seems like lots of jw's are getting divorced these days.
since i left the jw's 51/2 years ago i know of at least 5 couples that attended the congregation that i went to, who are now divorced.
is this getting more common where you are?
the divorce rate is increasing because apostates such as the ones on this board are infiltrating the congregation and posing to be jehovah's witnesses just so they can give them a bad name. it is one of the many tools satan uses to slander jehovah and his lovely organization. amen
bethel
ya know, it's odd how the "big" things just sometimes seem to bounce off your forehead, rather like seeing the trees instead of the forest.
well, fwiw, that was the state of mind (if you can call it that) i was in, after less than a year at bethel.
i was reassigned to the night-shift janitorial crew.
just seen it saying 'The end'! ; No No, did you get drafted? What happened next? When did you leave the lie?
haha i was worried about that too legolas! but i think it's just the end of his bethel story... the rest of his life will come shortly, we can all hope!